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Old 11-05-2002, 10:25 AM
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Post Along racial lines?

simchat_torah writes;

You deny the blood of an Israelite. You deny the blood of a Jew. You say that genes do not matter. You say that blood means nothing.

...Do I denigh the blood of those who are Israeli and JEWish? What I denigh is that {Israeli/JEWish} blood is racial, that is different from the blood of others. In case we are not talking about the same thing when we say race, I want to start by giving the {3rd} definition of "race" as written up in Websters New Collegiate Dictionary.

(3) race n [MF, generation, fr OLt razza] 1, a breeding stock of animals 2a, a family, tribe, people or nation belonging to the same stock b a class or kind of people unified by community of interests habits or characteristics 3a an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a division of mankind possessing traits that are transmissible by decent and sufficient to characterize it as a distinct human type 4 : obs : inherited temperment or disposition 5 : distincttive flavor, taste or strength

...Now when I speak of (race}, I am interested in teaching people that being JEWish isn't being of different genes than anyone else is who is non JEWish. Your concession to converts, when added to the influx of genes that come through intermarriage, should soften the pointing finger at JEWs on racial grounds. {that is my whole purpose in maintaining my argument}. I do not denigh that JEWs and Israeli's are distinct groups of people. I denigh that they are distinct blood types built upon genetic distinction.

...I am not by myself in wanting to convey to the world's population, that the JEWish people are not a genetic "race" of people. There are many things that link this people together, but "inbreeding" is not one of them. The JEWish people are genetically diverse.

...Now how do I skirt the issue of racism and the idea of a JEWish "race"? It seems to me that I'm being absolutely clear. I think that we blur the distinction between family and race. One can be of a JEWish family and be a christian. {in faith}, and one can also be a JEW {in faith}. Judaism and christianity are different faiths, no matter how related they might seem to be to some. I wear kipah, keep shabbot, have JEWish chag as opposed to anything christian for my holidays. My interests are JEWish. That I believe that the name representing GD's name, {YHWH} are four of the five letters of the name of YaHudaH, comes through my own research of the tanakh. Yes I believe that all JEWs bear the name of their Eloheem through the tribe of David. The 12th chapter and fifth verse of Deut. {Debar'im 12: 5} make a sufficient foundation to pursue such an idea from.

5 But unto the place {Jerusalem} which YHWH your God shall choose out of all your tribes {YaHudaH} to put his name {YHWH} there, even unto his habitation shall ye seek, and thither thou shalt come:

...I am allowed to draw my own conclusions from the text, as even you are. It may be Thummimism as you say, to believe in such a connection to the tribe of Judah, but I firmly believe that the author of the torah believed as I do, and created a name for the line of "Shem".

....Michael
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Old 11-05-2002, 03:27 PM
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Arrow Plaftometer (in German)

...So racist were the German people, that they could believe in this device invented for measuring the difference between Aryan and non Ayran skulls. Who is a JEW? These antisemites didn't have to ask themselves this question because they all knew that one could tell by looking. This {JEWish race} was so obviously JEWish that the differences could be measured. Of course they {the JEWs} looked different from Aryans. How could this inferior people look like us, they would ask themselves? This is racism. This is believing in a "genetic race". The German people had to make concessions to their faith. But truly the answer was in the yellow stars that the authorities forced JEWs to wear. Why do you need to identify a people who are obviously JEWish, by yellow stars? Why not just use the Plaftometer?

...Racism has been used against the JEWish people in pointing the finger to the uglyness, so easily seen by antisemites. The truth though, could be found in the mixing of each others children. Just mix them up and ask a third party to separate between them for extermination purposes. By sight only, a lot of German children would be on their way to the ovens. Then a lot of everybodies elses children would be with them.

...A little while ago, shots rang out somewhere while a JEWish school was in attendance at a JEWish place of worship. Children were led out of the building clutching each others hands, as they walked in a line to safety. A JEWish "race" was being targeted by a lone sniper. He knew what a Plaftometer was for. It was for antisemites to use in separating the unexceptable children, from those not of this inferior "race" of people.

...How much I want to tell this man, that he would have shot his own children had someone else used the Plaftometer on them. But teaching an antisemite that the JEWish people are not a race of people, is very difficult. Most of these cling tightly to their faiths. They have worked so hard building up their faiths so that they could answer themselves this question, "why am I better than these others and still righteous to feel how I do?"

...Did you know that you could place one of these antisemites in a large crowd of JEWs, and that they would be unaware of it, if no one told them who surrounded them?

...It is my strong hope to take away from these antisemites, their target of rage {possibly because they have been told of a people who killed "Jesus", by christians} and cause their arrows to fall short, for lacking a suitable target. If you cannot see who is JEWish, the target of the antisemite becomes harder to hit.

....Michael
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Old 11-05-2002, 05:13 PM
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Post Targeting a name.

...A name can also be a target.

8 He will swallow up death in victory; and Adonai Elohenu will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for YHWH hath spoken it.

...When identified as being JEWish by name, one again can become a target of an antisemite. How does one redeem a name? If a name fires up the wrath of an antisemite, what change can be made here to bring honor to the name and turn away the wrath?

6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I. Isa. 52: 6

...Is there a suggestion here that this people do not know the name of their Eloheem? If we read this verse of text as it is written in the JPS translation, we might assume so.

Assuredy My people shall learn my name,
Assuredly [they shall learn] on that day
That I, the One who promised,
Am now at hand. Isa. 52: 6 JPS

...Here we are told that there is a name to be learned. What name could YHWH have, that could protect his people? Is there any other name than YaHudah, the name of the JEWish people, {Yahudee, Yahudeem} that might benefit from a name like YHWH? This would be putting the pillar of Hashem between the enemies of YaHudaH and themselves, if it could be proved. I have lent a lot of effort to show that the line of Shem is about a name. I am not wrong, irregardless of what people think. The name of YHWH and the name of YHWDH, share a common penstroke by the author who chose them both. The name of praise {YaHudaH} meets the name of Praise {YHWH} willingly. There is a learnable name in the tanakh. But there is only one such name. Now accuse the name of YaHudaH {the name of the JEWish people}, and you also accuse the name of YHWH, "Hashem" as taken from this name that links the sons of Israel to YHWH.

Thus they shall link my name with the people of Israel, and I will bless them. Nu. 6: 27, JPS

...and there is a linkable name to both defend the JEWish people by, as well as a name to bless them by. To me, it is simply the name on the kethubah that espouses YHWH's people to himself. If people can learn a new covenant, they can also learn a new name.

9 And YHWH shall be king over all the earth: {sitting in the throne of David --> "YaHudaH"} in that day shall there be YHWH, and his name one. Zech. 14: 9

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto YHWH of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of YHWH of hosts. Zech. 14: 21

...If YaHudaH must drink from the same vessels as do the priests, what does that tell us about all of the tribe of YaHudaH? {as opposed to just Jerusalem}

...It might be Thummimism {thummim means "it completes" from the hebrew word "tome"}, but if it is the truth?

(*YHWH --> YHW'D'H*) = one name now linked?

....Michael
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