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I thought about this topic a lot today while I was working. Sometimes these things we (when I say we I mean myself, you, and the other people I talk to on the net) talk about really grab me, and I think about them pretty much all the time. After dinner, I grabbed my bible and started reading Luke's account of the Crucifixion through the Resurrection. I chose Luke's because I remember reading somewhere before how Luke kept such a great historical record of the events- or more so than the "other three". Anyhow, this is what I've found...
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matt Last edited by Matthew23; 04-23-2003 at 01:32 AM. |
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Matt,
On the surface, Luke 24:21 certainly does seem to indicate that Sunday, the 1st day of the week, was the third day and not the fourth day from Y'shua's death and burial. If you consider Sunday as the third day (and not the fourth), I would like to see how you work out the day and time of his death and burial (would that be Thursday, now?) and the day and time of his resurrection such that it fits Matt 12:40 (3 days and 3 nights). Y'shua gave 3 days and 3 nights as his sign; how did he fulfill it? Please, lay it out for me--I can't get it to work out with Sunday early afternoon (a considerable time after his resurrection) being the third day. I've done a little searching on the Net, and found a plausible explanation to what Luke was saying. This excerpt (sorry about the length) is from an article written by Roy A. Reinhold: Excerpt from Jes_s (Yeshua) was Crucified ... on a Wednesday Afternoon (part 2) <Link to Page>I have one last point to make about Luke 24:21. This occurred to me last night before I found the article by Mr. Reinhold, and he also mentioned it: Think about why the disciples made the comment . . . here they are, walking down the road, and a stranger comes up to them and asks them why they are sad. They proceeded to tell this stranger how this prophet, Y'shua, was condemned and crucified. AND, Y'shua had told them that he was going to rise on the third day, thus in their minds to become the redeemer of Israel. So, if they thought that this day that they were walking down the road was the third day, they would be still be waiting for Y'shua to rise from the dead. However, if today is after the third day since these things were done, they are sad--here, they thought Y'shua was the Messiah, and his third day prediction didn't come true. If this makes sense, great. If not, and you still think that Sunday afternoon was the third day, please lay out the death, burial, and resurrection timeline so I, too, can see what you see. Peace,
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The two men on the "road to Emmaus" were sad because they thought Yeshua was going to redeem Israel (v.21). They didn't even realize that Yeshua was supposed to come out of the grave (v.25), or they would have known what had happened when they heard about the empty tomb (v.22-24). So, they weren't sad because they thought he hadn't risen. They were sad because they thought he had not "redeemed" Israel. They simply didn't understand- yet.
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Wednesday-crucifixion. Wed at sunset-stone rolled in front of the tomb Thursday-First day of Unleavened Bread "High Sabbath Day" Friday-spices prepared by the women. Saturday at sunset-Yeshua resurrected. Sunday morning-empty tomb discovered. I'm not saying this is absolutely they way the events happened. This is what makes the most sense to me though. The thing that gives me the most trouble is that we have scriptures that tell us He would rise on the third day AND we have scruptures that tell us He would rise after three days... THIS MESSES ME UP. It IS possible that He died on Thursday. But then, in order for Yeshua to be in the grave for a full three days and nights, He wouldn't have risen until late Sunday! Perhaps the 72 hours isn't meant to be taken literally????? |
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Originally posted by Matthew 23Well, Matt, one would certainly think that, had Y'shua told them that he was going to rise on the third day, they would have realized that he was resurrected when they heard of the empty tomb. But, there are lots of things that we, looking back, wonder why they didn't see them. However, regarding whether or not they thought that Y'shua was supposed to rise, I think they knew: Third day predictions to disciplesMark 9:31 states that they did not understand what saying? That he would rise the third day? If that is the case, his disciples understood less than those who did not believe. Matthew 27 (KJV)However, there is, in my opinion, evidence that indicates that the disciples didn't have a clue--even after being told beforehand. It kind of "blows one's mind" to realize that they knew so little. As far as your timeline is concerned, I agree. Y'shua had to be killed on Wednesday in order for everything to work out. To speak to your issue with "on the third day" and "after three days," One explanation could be that he was buried just before sunset on Wednesday and resurrected just before sunset on Saturday: after 72 hours (3 days), but on the third day (on Saturday just before sunset)--that seems to be a logical way to put all of the pieces of the "puzzle" together and have them fit (or, at least, most of them).
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Let's face it: The Sabbath resurrection theory AND the Sunday resurrection theory both have their arguments, but I believe the SHEAF of FIRSTFUITS answers the question. Also, I'd like you to take a look at one more verse:
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Hyssop,
I've been talking over at Lo-ammi about the Sabbath, and the ways in which the Sabbath is a "type and shadow". Check the thread entitled "A public spectacle". matt |
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Got it, MadeByFire.
Thanks
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I changed the name (at lo-ammi) after I got a new computer and had to "re-enter" everything... I left it the same here because I don't want to lose my status as one of the top posters!
![]() Did you know I visited Spying's church? The people there were very pleasant. I stayed and talked with them 'till about two o'clock that day! I would like to meet you sometime as well. I can come to your church service sometime, or perhaps you could come to St. Peters one Sunday morning! I attend "Spencer Creek Church of God" on Willott Road. matt |
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I visited a public spectacle..it explains a lot..however reading through these arguments and various general know arguments about the Sabbath has changed my own perspective..
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I am glad that I join this forum, so I may get to know about various things.
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Thank you for sharing all that post. I really learned a lot from you guys.
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